I think it's sometimes the little inconsistencies like this that may bring some to question the truthfulness of the gospel in general. I need info on Cain/Abel and I'd like to know if there is anything else that justifies the notion that some LDS seem to believe that Cain is still alive and roaming the earth. > As a side story, a friend of mine mentioned a story he had read but I> forget the title of the book which I believe he said was written around, > the 16th century(?). Your email address will not be published. They were referred to as the Jotun, although they were not thought to be quite as large as others of Norse lore, such as the hrimpusar (frost giant) and the bergrisar (mountain giant). Cant remember where I heard about him but it was a while, >>ago, maybe I'll weave a lost clan around him. Any answers would be>>greatly appreaciated.>> Thanks>I believe that man's name is Methusalah (sp? I think there may be some merit to idea that Cain is still living, as we know for sure that there are righteous beings who have received degrees of quickening to allow them to endure long life (translation) making them impervious to death. I mean, its partly satisfying, right? Coincidence? The closest I've come to explain it in my class is Satan went into this beast and used him/it to tempt Eve. :) Such is the fate of urban legends, after all. Any answers would be>> greatly appreaciated. There were claims of sightings of the Wandering Jew throughout Europe, since at least 1542 in Hamburg up to 1868 in Harts Corners, New Jersey. However when it was compared to. So now we have a family tree that doesnt grow in the sun and can only be watered with blood. Travis Parks, Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message, > His name was Longinus, and he was just cursed to stick around until Christ, > The Cross). The Wandering Jew is a figure from medieval Christian folklore whose legend began to spread in Europe in the 13th century. Dont let the sun set on a post! swer your purpose, I am with the kindest regards, as ever. The tale is from the Decameron of Boccacio, and is a stone hoot. Interestingly I had just recently read an account in my own missionary journal of an experience with Cain that was told to me by another missionary in my mission, so I thought I'd post that too just for fun (I won't say which mission I went to or what the Elder's name was) : --Journal of [kamenraider] 1989-1990, May 6, 1990 "Supernatural Experiences", pgs. The Wandering Jew is a figure from Christian folklore, a Jewish man who, according to legend, taunted Jesus on the way to the Crucifixion and was then cursed to walk the earth until the Second Coming. Now that's *really* strange, given that Ahasuerus is a variant form ofArtaxerxes (see the book of Esther), a *Persian* name (guess hewandered pretty far, eh? {"cookieName":"wBounce","isAggressive":false,"isSitewide":true,"hesitation":"1","openAnimation":"lightSpeedIn","exitAnimation":"flip","timer":"","sensitivity":"","cookieExpire":"15","cookieDomain":"","autoFire":"","isAnalyticsEnabled":false}, What Pressure Care Is and How It Can Be Delivered, Hilot: an Ancient Filipino Art of Healing, Legends and Stories of Bodhisattva Vajrapani, Hecate: Goddess of the Moon, Light and Magic in Greek Mythology and Religion, Ayahuasca: The Guide to a Safe Experience, Vajrayana Buddhism Origins and Traditions. (Just as Xerxes real name was Khsajarsa and Darius'was Darajavus). He's found quotes from quite a few GAs, including Church presidents, that seem to confirm they believed it and even had further experiences that confirmed it. Caleb Jackson cursed to walk the Earth forever as Shiver Man Shiver Man's origins aren't completely clear, but it seems that he may have become who he is now after being cursed by a priest. In the instant Judas kissed Jesus, Judas both became a vampire, and imparted his vampire nature to Jesus. he tried toevoke the apocalypse because than his life would finally end. PROMESSION 6. edited to add: I noticed one of the anecdotes is provided by Rulon Allred. The Crossword Solver finds answers to classic crosswords and cryptic crossword puzzles. His descendants, with Lamech and his two wives. Supposedly it is a magic item of apocalyptic power. Thanks for the helpful information, I had not heard of the E. Wesley Smith account, but am not surprised that Joseph Fielding Smith might have tied the two events together--I think he was a church historian (his father was for a while) and he had access to church archives; he could easily have known about the David Patten tale and it's not surprising that he would make the assumption that his brother's story was similar. Hmm way I heard it, the WJ was kind of pissed at his kids gettingoffed by Herod, so when Christ was captured, WJ traded places with theguard so that WJ could whip JC. This list comprises people claimed to achieve a deathless existence on Earth. Or is "Cain" a name-title passed down through the ages (the Master Mahan school of thought)? Learn how your comment data is processed. mocked Jesus> carrying the cross to Golgotha. Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers, OT Law: Genesis 4:11 Now you are cursed because (Gen. Ge Gn). Well, the burial probably helped, too-- remember Potter's Field? E. Wesley Smith, president of the Hawaii mission told his his brother, Joseph Fielding Smith of an attack on him by Cain, described similarly to David Patten? Not the worst mistake to make when conversing with an exceedingly evil, powerful, scary-looking individual. According to Jehoshua Gilboa, many commentators have pointed to Hosea 9:17 as a statement of the notion of the eternal/wandering Jew. -- J. Verkuilen ja@uiuc.eduBeer: It's what's for dinner. > I meant to say this in my last posting> > but forgot; who wrote "Spear of Destiny," when was it> > published, etc.I would like to find myself a copy> > and need this information. The meaning of CURSED is being under or deserving a curse. I think the reason it's not so easily discarded is that the Patten story was quoted and equated with Cain by President Kimball in his work Miracle of Forgiveness. Shaken and alone, Nimue presses ahead on her quest, as flashbacks reveal a harrowing encounter years ago that changed the course of her life. Jesus saith to him, If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to thee? There is a book 'The Spear of Destiny' which is supposed to be a non fiction book on hte Nazi's efforts to reclaim the Spear of Destiny, which is supposedly in some German museum. Thinking I might>: >run a campaign having to do with him, if I can find out more stuff>: >about him. Growing up I was taught how to be the good guy and treat a girl right but all that got me was walked on, lied to, used, manipulated and hurt I Know (Instrumental) - Blood was strictly for sacrifice in atonement for sins. Nah, its for badass Renfields that eat the flesh and drink the blood of Gods kid. arrived the[y] went in the bedroom and the companion was lying on his bed curled up in a fetal position sobbing and he was all bruised and bloodied and he said that he had challenged Satan to a fight and some guy appeared and said he was Cain and beat the tar outta the guy. 57-58. >Weinberg does interesting things with the paraphernalia of classic>grimoire occultism; I'd recommend the book to anyone who plans on playing>an Order of Hermes Mage.>>>Dean Shomshak. Methuzelah was a long lived sage in Genesis, Ido believe. Some scholars have identified components of the legend of the Eternal Jew in Teutonic legends of the Eternal Hunter, some features of which are derived from Odin mythology. but you get the point) so>>yes, he gets >>>mention in the booksjust not directly>. Jesus said, 'As you have denied me rest, I deny you >rest till I return agian.' Cant remember where I heard about him but it was a while>> ago, maybe I'll weave a lost clan around him. Neither comlied, but the jew, > agreed to go with this man to Rome. Another passage in the Gospel of John speaks about a guard of the high priest who slaps Jesus (John 18:19-23). 2. Of course, Sadler was mysteriously murdered while sitting in a cafe>in Mexico in 1988 (IIRC). The owner came out and yelled at him to >get off his wall. Hosanna! Who know's if he's alive or not, it's not really important, but certainly there are some, even in Church hierarchy who believe so. The Wandering Jew would make a great WoD character, though. And if that's all the evidence there is, I'd say we definitely should not be repeating this bit of information as fact in Sunday School, seminary classes etc. 491, Brussels, 1839). An interesting invention, given that Judas died of what appears to be acombination of hanging and seppuku. "I did not believe the phrase 'bodies piled in heaps' until I saw the battlefield yesterday", -Captain Emory Upton after the Battle of Antietam, : I believe that man's name is Methusalah (sp? more or less right.of the many people who lived a long, long time in Genisis, Methusalahlived the longest. Thus this jew is cursed to wander the earth >without rest till the second comeing.There are several books out there >on that subject too. --The Life of David W. Patten: The First Apostolic Martyr by Lycurgus A. Wilson, SLC: Deseret News Press 1904, pgs. Daily spiritual self-care habits we all can benefit from | Thriive.in, Some Spiritual Truths We Need Reminding About. ), a compleatly fictional charicter. 127. **Addendum: several friends have pointed out some similarities between the tale woven in Alugah and the film Dracula 2000. I agree--I think that when Pres. A man decided to take a pilgramage to Rome. document.getElementById("ak_js_1").setAttribute("value",(new Date()).getTime()); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. >>Just wondering if anyone knew about the soldier who struct christ and>>was cursed to wonder the earth untill the end of time. CATHARSIS 2. (The Wandering Jew isalso a central character in Robert Weinberg's novel, The Devil's Auction,but in this case he turns out to beJudas Iscariot. Blue, Yellow, & Bleeding: - . mocked Jesus>> carrying the cross to Golgotha. In some areas the farmers arranged the rows in their fields in such a way that on Sundays the Eternal Jew might find a resting place. When thou tillest (literally, shalt till) the ground, it shall not henceforth yield (literally, add to give) unto thee her strength. Thirty years ago, the men of my wolf-shifter pack were cursed, doomed to never find and you're invited to watch. bring kleenex!www.speedkingrecords.ca The set location of the series is the United Kingdom. My guess is that it's such supporting accounts that President kimball also had access to when he stated the same thing. There was a series of pulp "Men's Adventure" books called"Casca:The Eternal Mercenary" about Casca's missadventures throughhistory. Immediately when the light appeared the person stopped and on being commanded to leave, he backed out the door. > treachery and vices which were present at the time including murders, > orgies, little boys, etc. Cain, the first murderer, cursed by God to wander the Earth, and marked so no one could slay him. "As robbers are wont to be who have no quiet and secure resting-place" (Calvin); driven on by the agonizing tortures of a remorseful and alarmed conscience, and not simply by "the earth denying to him the expected fruits of his labor" (Delitzsch). I agree, I see the folklore on Vampires as similar. Interview accounts with Cartiphilus tell of him mentioning of his futile attempts to kill himself, but finding it impossible. There was a series of pulp "Men's Adventure" books called, > I believe that man's name is Methusalah (sp? RAIN 3. A man came through the door. By http://ealuscerwen.wordpress.com/kin-of-cain-annotated-bib/. --Rick Jones "Ah. They imply and suggest but never state anythingabout Jesus or his life. Although this servant is probably not the same guard who struck Jesus, Malchus is nonetheless one of the many names given to the wandering Jew in later legend. It is why asgard was destroyed. and you're invited to watch. bring kleenex!www.speedkingrecords.ca Why dost Thou loiter?, to which Jesus, with a stern countenance, is said to have replied: I shall stand and rest, but thou shalt go on till the last day.. It is how hiemdall died. he met a miserable looking man on the road who told him that he roamed the earth trying to destroy others--. Extant manuscripts have shown that as early as the time of Tertullian (c. 200), some Christian proponents were likening the Jewish people to a new Cain, asserting that they would be fugitives and wanderers (upon) the earth. Patten, an Apostle, made the story up?) Even with a mortal wound when he stole the power Athena wanted he survived. Finding Cassius Longus or any otherbiblical charicter in person would provide to positive an answer. WHAT IM SAYING IS, someone has provided a tidy explanation for the existence of vampires. [2] When Cain spilled his brother's blood, the earth became cursed as soon as the blood hit the The curse was the result of Cain murdering his brother, Abel, and lying about the murder to God. >Read The Unbeholden, by Robert Weinberg. Barry Sadler of "Ballad of the Green Berets">fame. He supposedly struck Jesus and was cursed by God to 2. >Sean D. Francis (se@nwu.edu) wrote:>: Marcelo Herrera eloquently stated >: >>: >Just wondering if anyone knew about the soldier who struct christ and, >: >was cursed to wonder the earth untill the end of time. your sourse (so I can get my own paws on it). Obsessed with breaking the curse he crosses paths with a brilliant grad-student who is But this seems to be inferred, because in reading the account in Miracle of Forgiveness, it does not say that Cain is still alive, it just reports Patten's claim that he met a miserable looking man on the road who told him that he roamed the earth trying to destroy others--and apparently Patten or others who repeated the story later believed it was Cain. Another take on the wandering jew can be found in Potocki's"Manuscript found in Saragossa", back in 1820-something. > My freind went on >to say that this book was banned by the Catholic church as sacraligious >and had always been considered fiction. versttning Context Stavningskontroll Synonymer Bjning. Any lights shed on that? Now you have been called to find her and solve the mysteries of the abandoned mines. mocked Jesuscarrying the cross to Golgotha. After being cursed, Cain was cut off from the presence of God, something he'd clearly enjoyed before he murdered his brother. The books focused on Casca Longinus the cursed Roman soldier and charted his journey through time doing the only thing he knew - be a soldier. Woeeeeee! Your email address will not be published. For just a moment, if we can decouple this tale from its all-too-easy association with popular vampires, we can reflect on how it compares with other parts of the Bible. Warmest personal regards, -= The Seeker =- -= (i/pi)^inf =-, *************************************************************************** Actually, you're right; I haven't the foggiest idea what I'm doing but ** I'm having an awfully fun time doing it. And now are you cursed from the earth, which has opened her mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand; Genesis 4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of . ing his sojourn upon the earth, but that he could not die, and his mission was to destroy the souls of men. Definitely a band worth keeping an ear on. He tried to tell this wandering jew of the wonders of> Christianity and get him to convert bu the jew refused and responed by> saying that Jesus was a jew and he knew what he was doing and telling> the man he should convert to judiasm. The reason I, remember it was when we were in prison, Lyman took that Life Magazine. But it certainly is at odds with other key parts of the Bible. I don't recall seeing him anywhere, which is pretty consistantwith WW policy. Thanks so much for finding this, CV75..I even read Beowolf (though it was years ago) and did not remember this!! >Sorry, Methuselah's the fellow from before the flood. (Yes, yes, sophomore version of methe Bible is replete with contradictions. Enter a Crossword Clue Sort by Length # of Letters or Pattern with him, and we read it many, many times. Its a negligible difference from the popular literary vampire, who spits in the face of Gods law by drinking blood exclusively. He asks the craftsman to repair hisshoes, which are worn by his travels. Follow Toothpickings or Toothpickings, Image sources: DaVinci, Thomas Byers, unknown engraver from 1870, unknown fresco artist from 1340, Shutterstock. INFLUENCER 7. They will long to die, but death will flee from them. -Revelation 9:6. Investigating the Western fascination with vampires, one dad joke at a time. Joseph Campbell has influenced me to believe all fictional archetypes are actually only shadows of a real counterpart that really exists or has existed in the material non-fictional world, otherwise the fictional archetype could not exist. 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